Earlier than Oct. 7, Israel appeared to many to be sliding right into a “one-state actuality,” the place it had practical management over Gaza and the West Financial institution, however the Palestinians who lived there have been denied full rights. In 2021, a bunch of lots of of former senior protection and diplomatic officers in Israel printed a report warning that this was a disaster — for Israel’s safety, its democratic values, its worldwide standing, and its very soul. They usually argued that there was one other manner, that even with out a Palestinian “companion for peace,” there was an enormous quantity Israel may do by itself to create the situations for a two-state resolution to emerge sooner or later.
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Nimrod Novik is a fellow on the Israel Coverage Discussion board and a member of the chief committee of Commanders for Israel’s Safety, the group behind the report. He was a senior coverage adviser to Shimon Peres when he was prime minister, and was concerned in all types of negotiations with Palestinians and the Arab world.
I wished to speak to Novik concerning the plan proposed within the Commanders for Israel’s Safety report, and the way they may have modified in gentle of Oct. 7 and the warfare. We additionally speak via what the “day after” would possibly appear like in Gaza, the immense anger of the Israeli public over the intelligence failure that led as much as the assaults, the choice coalitions constructing towards Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and rather more.
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